I’ve always said they try to compensate for something because I can’t for the life of me understand why’d you’d need a massive pickup truck and you live in the suburbs
You know, when you tuck your balls into themselves, both these faces look like they’re from the same person. Like different expressions, or some shit.
I just want an electric 90s S-10/Ranger. Someone, just make that truck. I’m begging you. I’m so tired of these big boxy pieces of shit.
I want an electric minivan for under $50k is that too much to ask
I saw this god-tier gif of this trans woman in heels walk around a truck stop butt naked. That’s what I want. I don’t care if I get chopped up and put into a big boxy piece of shit. I want to be that woman in my dreams.
The answer was hybrids, but that wasn’t good enough for the “environmentalists”. So battery only power was forced on us before there was even infrastructure developed for it. Now, adoption rates are stagnant and we are creating even more environmental hazards than before.
We did it y’all!!
When the planet gets too hot for us to go outside, our dependence on motor vehicles will deepen that much more. But we’ll need ways to interact with the world safely, so engineers will find ways to redesign cars and trucks into relatively almost affordable wheeled mecha. These Mechars will still put us into a lifetime of debt, but that’s okay because the way people use their cars is already like a minihome, and so the mechars will continue that trend of essentially being our homes on wheels, complete with mortgage. We won’t need houses, which is great cause they’ll be demolished to make room for the charging stations for these mechars.
I can’t get the imagery of countless mecha stuck in rush hour traffic out of my head.
Maybe I’m an outlier, but I bought a used 2011 Tundra with 230k miles on it for $7k. It’s the base model, bone stock except for replacing the broken radio and I use it to tow the RV I live in and transport my ebike that’s the size of a moped or small motorcycle.
I’m also non-binary and stuck some cutesy cat stickers on my back window. 😂 The idea of spending over $50k on a truck is just insane. I found the original dealer window sticker in the glove box and mine sold for $21k new in 2011.
I live in Texas and pass these huge lifted trucks with the super wide-set tires and always wonder how they can even load anything into the bed. And if MY truck gets 17-18mpg on a good day, what is THEIR monstrosity getting? 😭
I just looked up the Toyota Tundra and it’s still a large truck.
Funny sidenote, this week I saw a VW Eos pulling a caravan.
An Eos has a 1,500kg rated towing capacity. How big was the caravan? Seems kind of dangerous, but I’ve definitely seen people with worse towing setups. 😂
My RV is 8,000 pounds dry (3,600kg). I wanted a smaller truck for better gas mileage, but I wouldn’t have been able to tow with it, as they were mostly rated at about 5,500 pounds (2,500kg).
They’re rated differently here in Germany.
I regularly see setups like this here
But I truly appreciate you converting your measurements
Public transport is for commies, and electric vehicles are gay.
I had a girlfriend and we got along well. She was really into cars, but it’s not something that really comes up often, so it’s kinda just whatever. Out of the blue she told me that whenever she parks next to an ev and the owner is there too, she revs up the engine really high, so they know what’s up.
I looked at her for a long time and legitimately didn’t know what to say, and all i could think off was: “but why?” And she said something like: “so they know what they are missing out” i told her that they either think you are mentally unwell or can’t drive a car.
Gay as a fox!
Which makes you a gay commie if you ride on one of those electric trams. Makes a man want to just… curl up and die… maybe curl up in a comfortable place, next to his extremely straight friend. Maybe he wraps his arms around you, not too tight, just enough. Maybe he leans in and whispers in your ear, that it’s going to be ok. Your nice and safe in your extremely straight friend’s large, muscular arms. The tender kiss is a surprise, but a welcome one. It takes you away to a land without worry. Where the only two people that exist are you, enveloped in his embrace. Just thinking about the electric tram makes you so angry, and his loving arms wipe it away as they tear away your clothes in an extremely straight and macho way. There’s nothing gay about a little blowjob, you tell yourself, as you ta-
I’m sorry were we talking about robot Teslas?
Now you make me want to go to ride electric tram.
I do actually want a truck. I like to thrift shop and do home projects. being able to move furniture and construction materials would be nice. Too bad they’re stupid big, full of tech garbage, and 30K. I just want a little ford ranger or something. There’s no reason it should cost as much as it does when the only people using it are tradesmen and posers. A truck is meant to be the work horse of vehicles. Somehow they convinced enough people to pay a premium price for a thing that has near no versatility.
Why not a Peugeot Partner or VW Caddy or something in that class? Or if you need bigger a Ford Transit? Or a good old Passat, Volvo V70 or Škoda Octavia.
The upcoming Slate could be what you want.
I have a lot of hope for the Slate. I’m worried about a dozen different things happening to it as a new company. I wish I could see their financials but it’s a catch-22. If I can see their sales numbers it’s more likely some big shitty company tries to hostile take over them (because they’d be publicly traded.) Getting one would be cool. Getting one and then having the company shutter (or get eaten by Amazon), not so much.
The trucks useful for actual hauling are nothing like these awful pavement princesses. They’re smaller, lower, with a small cabin and bigger flatbed.
Unfortunately they are much less common nowadays. Wonder why that is.
Why not buy a used one?
What i find most interesting is that the modern style truck that people are buying are actually so awful to use for real work. The increased bed height makes it harder to hand load to the point that they added integrated stairs in the door which doesnt help at all because youre still climbing wasting energy. When getting tools out of the back seat if your not 7 feet tall you cant reach in without physically climbing in. They kinda just suck in comparison to the old. When i see trucks like the one below i genuinely think that person is using it as intended probably likes that model more than something theyd buy new. My brain cant help but comment “thats a real truck with a real contributer to society inside”
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Gavril D-Series. 🤤
I’ve wasted way too much time on that thing. I’m not sorry, had fun. More of a brucknell legrand wagon man myself.
The Legran is a great car. I love its frumpiness. XD
I’m pretty sure that’s a gmt400, haven’t heard of a gavril before!
It is. Gavril is a made up brand from a game called beam ng. The game is basically car physics with some game attached and gavril are the trucks similar to an s10 up to a gm 3500.
nobody is using them for real work. they are status symbols.
they make fleet/commercial vehicles for real work.
Especially in the south, but not limited to, you see a lot of new Z71’s and Raptors with lift kits, brush guards, spray in bed liners and diamond plated bed boxes in office parking lots, all with pristine trailer hitches.
pavement princess compensation carriers
People who modify their Raptors, generally are only making them less capable.
Modern trucks are just emotional support vehicles for the egoistically challenged.
And they’re expensive status symbols at that. I don’t own a pickup anymore but I’ve had a few and the total cost of ownership is quite a bit higher than for a relatively nice but economical passenger car.
GMT 400s and 800s are the most goated pickup trucks off all time. Besides the pre-Duramax diesels. Those were garbage.
Even that truck is on the bigger size. Looks like it was even lifted.
We say that, but if the prices maintain habits will change. After the Iraq invasion in 2003, I saw people buy more and more smaller city cars over the next half a dozen years (at least in Canada).
Even GM, Chrysler and Ford were bringing small cars to the market until 2008-2010.
Once affordability and credit dry up, there’ll be demand for small hybrids, economy cars and electric cars. SUVs and Pickups are just popular because car loans were so cheap. And gas prices have never been as low as the last decade.
Its already happening. 2000 f350 7.3L ZF6 4x4 rust free is worth less than 4k, trying to sell it for a recently widowed person and it sucks. Truck value, especially diesel, is shitting the bed.
The beauty of consumerism, every possession immediately changes to adapt to the times
I may be in the minority but I hate trucks. I always will have a smaller sedan. Am US.
I would like a small, pre-2012 truck that is just used for hauling shit I need to the house, like wood, pellets, feed, etc.
What I find are dick-measuring vehicles where you have to lean forward to ensure no pedestrians are in front.
Still searching…
This one is 2017, but I really like these. Probably don’t come with the driving experience of your dreams, but it’s a truck.
I’ve had a 1999 and a 2007 Nissan Frontier. Both “King cab” (meaning only jump seats in the back, not full back seats). The 1999 was perfect. The new Frontiers are like the size of the old Titans, it’s ridiculous.
I’m an EV convert. I really like the Rivian pick-up for a lot of things, but the size is just too much (that and the cost). I currently drive a 2017 Kia Soul EV (and I had a Nissan Leaf before that) and it’s just great. There are a few times where I wish I still had a truck though. When the Soul winds up becoming my son’s car in a few years, I’m hoping that maybe I can swing getting a Slate. I also live in Hawai’i and kei trucks/vans are very popular here. Smaller vehicles with well-thought-out design are the best.
Trucks started getting giant in 1991. The f350 was different than the f250 in one primary way, it was lifted 3 inches on blocks. The f series drove the height gain in trucks. The next super duty generation had like a 5 foot tall grill in 1998. And it was all uphill for truck sizing from there.
GM stayed smaller till ~2008. My 2001 3/4 chevy roofline is the same height as a new f150 hood. Its nuts.
My dad has a '93 Ford Ranger
4 cylinder, 7ft bed, single cab with a bench seat. Gets around 20mpg, which honestly isn’t too shabby even by new truck standards.
Over the years it’s moved a lot of furniture, picked up a lot of bulky lumber and such from the hardware store, picked up a few decent sized loads of firewood, and generally done everything most normal people would need or want a truck for.
The bed is pretty low compared to modern trucks so it’s easy to load and unload, back it up to a curb and you can pretty step right off the sidewalk into the bed with the tailgate down
I have complaints about it, but they’re nothing most people couldn’t live with. It’s 0-60 time is probably best stated as “eventually,” especially if you’re carrying anything significant in the bed. And with no weight over those rear wheels it’s kind of shitty to drive on anything besides dry paved roads so 4wd would be nice. And of course after 30+ years it’s got some quirks and little things that are broken.
But if I could buy basically that exact same truck today, maybe as a hybrid or EV, I’d jump on it. I don’t need more performance, I’m not going to use it to haul a bed full of gravel or anything, we’ve never had to tow with it, and when I’ve towed with my own car it’s never been anything more substantial than a teardrop trailer that a Prius could probably just about handle if they came with a tow hitch.
I really like the maverick, it checks a lot of boxes for me and is overall pretty similar in size to my dad’s ranger but that short bed annoys me, I can’t fit a couch in that.
My brother had a 90s Toyota with a 5 speed and the full 8’ I believe. We did small town construction and it was perfect for general lumber/ladders/groceries/etc.
It also had suffered a bad repair job in a backyard shop at some point and would kind of shibby down the road a little sideways. Insanely reliable though.
I don’t remember typing this today 🙃
Edit: read “absolutely 100% the main usecase”
Liked my s10 but that was the biggest complaint that engine belongs in a small car not a truck.
Theres a reason first gen Tacoma’s are still over $20k for a decent one. and they usually have over 300k miles. Such a great sized, good driving, easy to work on little pickup. (Minus the stupid frame recall).
Everything made today is shit. So hold on to your 90s cars guys.
If you’re fine with a trailer, this would be a viable option. In Europe, almost nobody uses a truck and we still haul a lot of shit around. You’d be surprised what a sedan can pull.
This way you would only have the higher drag when really needing it and the low cost of a smaller car the rest of the time.
Unfortunately in the US almost no small vehicle has rated towing capacity, even when the same vehicles do in Europe. So if you were to tow with a small sedan you’re operating outside of what it’s rated for in the US. So I’m sure manufacturers would use that to deny warranty coverage, or in the event of a crash I’m sure that could play a factor…
I’m not sure how to read the towing capacity in the USA, since it’s documented very differently over here, but it seems they’re petty much the same for the bog standard car I’ve picked (Audi A4). Dragging around 1.5 to 2 tons is probably enough for most people.
Looking at something like a Toyota Corolla (1.8 L hybrid, to compare like powertrains), it gets 1300 kg towing capacity in Europe from what I can find, and in the US it’s 0, the manual will say not to tow with it. I’m sure it varies between manufacturers.
That’s bitter.
Oh, that’s a shame.
Every car in the US has a towing capacity number. Small cars are usually around 1k lbs
Lots of places like furniture, hardware and gardening stores will also just rent you a trailer. So you can just hook it up and carry your stuff home if you need to. And if you need it more often you can just buy your own trailer, they’re not even that expensive.
Ford maverick, size of the old rangers with 40 mpg
Only available with extended cab and short bed.
That cab though lol I legit just want a single cab truck with no gimmicks, but “the market” all trends to “big car with bed” because they can mark up the price.
While true, they have a lot of issues and are way too techy, and fwd. Give me the ranger.
The current ranger makes my 85 F160 feel small. Or at least low.
A hatchback or small SUV with the seats folded down is adequate for that. I fit a full size refrigerator and a 3 seat sofa in my scion xB (no not at the same time).
Got a prius now and fit two IKEA mattresses and bedframes no problem.
Plus you don’t need to worry about people just deciding to grab shit since it’s enclosed.
As messed up as it sounds, after our last move the company bringing our stuff didn’t bring a small truck and their big one couldn’t make it up our steep driveway. In steps my wife with her Scion xD, the baby sister of your xB, and managed to drive everything up hanging out the back (many many trips, no fridge though).
The Prius’ storage is surprisingly well-designed! We borrowed one several years back and I was really impressed with what all it could hold
Slate truck. Ford Fathom. Only options I’m aware of in the USA.
Much like seeing one of the new post trucks, it’s a fun game to point at “small” trucks and exclaim “look, normal-size truck!” It’s just sad that they’re getting rare enough to point them out.
I don’t see how that could be a minority opinion. Don’t let the “Americans are bad people” posts get to you.
It’s not getting to me at all. Just saying where I am, majority truck central is a thing.
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That’s because Ford neglected their products, choosing instead to invest in higher margin trucks. Everytime they came out with a successful car, they waited until obsolesce before producing a proper replacement.
Fool! Sedans are the worst form factor vehicle there is. LONG LIVE THE LONG ROOF! Wagons and hatch backs 4 life
P much same. Have a crossover bc poor and that was the only used car in my area that was clean title, under 200k miles and not a shitty American-made brand, but it averages 32 mpg and I’m wanting my next vehicle to be a hybrid at minimum.
Seeing pristine baby coddling pickups pisses me off every time.
Am not US but otherwise felt the same, for a long time.
Now recently road conditions have been deteriorating quite badly where I live. With potholes everywhere, sedans and other small cars with delicate suspensions just get damaged all the time by the road. This, along with heavy snow and slush in the winter, has caused me to rethink my stance.
i keep a small truck around so i can take garbage off without having to smell it, or pick up some mulch for my not-lawn
Trucks are demonstrably more dangerous than other vehicles on the road.
My unpopular opinion is that truck drivers should pay a higher penalty when they’re involved in accidents. Every moving violation in a truck gets bumped up, one degree, from civil to misdemeanor, from misdemeanor to felony. By driving a pickup truck you are choosing to endanger other drivers on the road.
I agree. Funny enough, when the taller vehicles were first becoming popular, “I can see everything” was popular. Well, if your visibility is improved, you should be penalized more for being at fault.
Even more so with all these driving assistant systems, if you rely too heavily on them (thinking OK to text and drive), that’s on you for still causing an accident. Those systems are to aid alert drivers, not replace them.
Self driving above level and 0 below level 4 should be banned. Levels one and two do involve the driver more but people just can’t be trusted to understand them. Level three is just downright dangerous. With nothing apparent to do people cannot be trusted to pay attention effectively even if they are trying. Google’s self driving program started with level three self driving and promptly abandonded it when they found employees weren’t paying attention to the road.
Not arguing, but my understanding is the main problem with driver assist systems is that people don’t meaningfully understand their limitations and assume they will do more than they are capable of. Think highway lane assist being treated as a self driving system, for example, or the woman who jumped in front of her tesla her toddler was driving because she thought it would stop if there was a person in front of it.
Since the expectations are so wildly different between vehicles, and none of it is covered in drivers ed or road tests, it’s bound to happen more.
Then even more so, it falls on the salesperson to help educate customers (could be new or used), and the new owner to test or confirm features, safely.
As a car salesperson years ago, I knew the brands I sold, the competition, and features including trim packages, etc, of all major competitors. While yes there is more tech involved, there’s no excuse for ignorance.
They’re also not performance vehicles, but everyone tries to drive them like they are and none of them care to give you any indication of what they are intending to do.
Not a silver bullet but we seriously need to reform the CAFE standards that reward automakers for producing vehicles with larger footprints.
Trump just lowered the standards lol
As he promised he would do. Didn’t he campaign on completely getting rid of the epa?
Make it illegal to build vehicles that aren’t crash compatible with average sized sedans and coupes, get rid of the light truck exemption that allows regular people to drive work vehicles (pickups trucks) on public roads without a truck driver’s licence or work permit.
Problem with the pickup truck thing is that you would also nuke those of us driving older trucks like my 01 Tacoma, my fucking hood is shorter than the back bumper of some modern pickups. Mind you that could be corrected with height and tonnage specifications.
Yeah I feel like if it is crash compatible there’s no problem. You could also let current truck owners be grandfathered in and have no new trucks sold to the general public.
There’s really a ton of options other than just letting people get bigger and bigger trucks that really just kill more people.
One of my primary use cases for even owning a truck would be an 8ft long bed single cab so I could drive to the hardware store and pick up sheets of drywall, plywood, or lumber.
You really think I need a commercial driver license or whatever a work permit is to do that?
Absolutely. Extremely few people need a truck that size full time. I was a cabinetmaker for years and I actually needed a truck so rarely that I saved a ton of money just renting one every few weeks and had the option to get a van (which is what most people really want anyway) if I needed one too. Most proper home renovations require a permit so you could tie that to it. I actually had a lot of options for free lumber and sheet stock delivery which is a huge time and money saver even it in the boonies where I lived and of course to my shop in the city. Most people really don’t need a truck, they just don’t take advantage of the services offered to them.
I don’t really understand the difference between the size of an F150 or a Sprinter van for example in your proposed policy.
No hard feelings either way. I don’t own a truck and order material from Lowe’s or Home Depot for that very reason.
Size? Vans are often less vanity sized, bumper height wise. But that’s not really what I meant. When I want a vehicle that can store a bunch of stuff, sheltered from the elements and thieves, like materials or tools overnight, a van comes ready for that, stock. I don’t need to add a whole shell or a flimsy cover, they’re just good. And I can stick lumber all the way to the front of my passenger seat and not have to have it sticking out of the back. Vans are just superior in most transportation cases.
Your original reply proposed driving pickup trucks should require a CDL or some kind of building permit to operate. Should the same apply to vans?
Any home owner should own a truck. I don’t, but I’ll say that my Subaru identifies as a truck (regularly haul trash in it, have used it to move bucked up logs about riding on the bump stops) but I have on a couple occasions had to borrow friends trucks. If I didn’t have friends with trucks, id probably have to get rid of my jeep and replace it with a shitty lil ranger or s10 or something of the sort.
Subaru outback with a tow hitch. This is the way…
I actively despise those massive pavement princesses and lose respect for any person who has one. They’re a must-have in the “macho insecure man-child” starter pack.
Externalizing their “alpha” BS.
In the US, trucks got so big because of poorly-thought-out EPA regulations that mandated specific gas mileage based on hood height rather than tonnage. In order to be subjected to the lower, more achievable targets, the hood height has to be above a certain number or else the truck can’t be sold.
Too bad they wrote it with the un-erasable ink, otherwise after a few decades someone would’ve done something to fix it.
Changing that kind of thing is easy to spin negatively for political opponents. If a politician you don’t like were to propose changes to the fuel efficiency requirements as they relate to vehicle footprint, would you give them the benefit of the doubt to assume that it would be for the better?
And this is why you can’t have nice things
Would
No kidding, not to mention the footprint regulations forcing all cars to get bigger. Can’t even sell an ICE smart car in the USA anymore because it’s not efficient enough for its footprint! Old Subaru gc8 is a small car and would require 75+ mpg to be sold under current regulations, so we just have bigger Subarus to increase footprint and get them back under regulation. Manufacturers love regulations because more regs = higher price = more profit per vehicle sold. Ever wonder why screens used to be illegal in cars, but now anything under 10k lbs is legally required to have a TV screen and back up camera?
Can you share a source for the hood height regulations? Never heard anything like that before.
I’m not sure about the hood height part, but CAFE (US fuel economy standards) loosen the MPG requirements as vehicles get larger. The curve is poorly made and it is simply easier to increase the size of the vehicle and hit the looser fuel economy requirements. The regulation with the goal to increase fuel economy…encourages larger vehicles with worse fuel economy.
That is not the primary issue. If it would be tonnage the incentive would be also perverse and dangerous for everyone. The emission targets are absolutely achievable, the industry does not want to achieve them or do what is needed to achieve them (lighter, smaller and more efficient vehicles).
The real problem is that authorities allowed the lobbyists to get their way to open an aicraft carrier large loophole to allow rules for commercial vehicle for purely and exclusively private vehicles, designed and marketed from day one exclusively as such.
