I appreciate that Scandinavia doesn’t show a clear preference except for staying in Scandinavia
Just love how Scandinavia is just a circle. XD
Edit: or, I guess, a triangle.
threesome?
Least surprised - Turkey. I grew up there, oddly common to have a religious uncle living in Germany.
Most surprised - Russia. Kazakhstan??
Brits on their way to leave the continent:
Well they don’t want to be in the EU
Brexit wasn’t good enough I see, they want to move the whole country to the mid-atlantic
My wife has a friend who is a German-born Swiss resident and yeah this map checks out.
Italy’s isnt Germany?!
How many italians are in Spain!?
Oh 34 is young now huh?
It is about 10 years younger than the average age in Europe
Please let me stay in the illusion a few more moments.
People can’t make up their minds!
I mean it is
There do seem to be quite a few Italians in Barcelona currently
The Nordics, Finland, and Estonia are just doing an exchange program.
we’re very keen on recycling
The only thing better than a Nordic country is another Nordic country
I thought it was because those nations are basically bickering siblings and enjoy annoying each other.
i’m seeing three dominant patterns: the aussie funnel, the nordic maelstrom and the franco-swiss oscillator.
Also one megatrend pattern that seem to lead away from Russia.
Germany really hard-carrying the Franco-Swiss oscillator.
‘Carrying’
Fun little triangle there between Norway, Sweden and Denmark.
Its funny cause then when youre talking about estonia youre suddenly buddies with finland again cause “estonia is basically eastern europe”
Finnish and Estonian languages are closely related. Unlike Finnish and other Nordic languages.
Yup, i liv in sweden and im hungarian so i know my stuff with uralic languages. I think its mainly about estonia not being on the peninsula, but neither is denmark. The absolute most northern part of denmark is about as north as the mosy southern part of estonia and also estonia is seperate from latvia and lithuania as those are balto-slavic while estonia is uralic as mentioned previously which puts it with finnish and sami in northern europe. Estonia is also very modern and has a well oiled welfare system(at least from the outside, would gladly hear the opinion of an estonian) so all of these make estonia feel pretty nordic.
Afaik from Helsinki to Tallinn it’s like thirty minutes on a ferry, so even tourists tend to visit the latter together with the former. (Which, I now realize, I failed to think of when sitting in Helsinki not knowing what else to do.)
I like looking at these kinds of maps and finding the stable spots.
Norway -> Denmark -> Sweden -> Norway is one.
There’s also Switzerland -> France -> Switzerland.
The UK escapes being part of one of those cycles by choosing a country that’s off the map as their escape.
Lol the Swiss want to be French and the French want to be Swiss.
I suppose young french, would like to have better salary… young swiss just want to spend their money on good food, for once
I have not tried swiss food, but oof. Still, I have been to only two places which might be close to beating france in terms of average quality of food.
As a French, I have to say that their way of doing raclette is more expensive than ours but also tastes even better.
What’s the key difference? Can I try it at home?
The main difference is that they melt the cheese right off the wheel and they usually pair it with “grenaille” potatoes (basically a variety that’s really small, so they are kind of roasted when cooked)
You can try it at home but you need specialized equipment to melt cheese wheel chunks, over here you can loan them from some cheese shops, it looks like this:
When eating it in a restaurant they will usually do that in the kitchen and just bring the partly melted chunk at the table and scrape the melted cheese into your platter though.
To be honest I’m not sure that melting the cheese directly from the wheel changes the taste, as long as you’ve got good cheese, but it looks glorious, and looks are actually a big part of the culinary experience so I think it still plays a part.Also there’s kind of a dispute over whether that process actually comes from Switzerland or not IIRC, but it is more widespread there nowadays
Ohh, I don’t think I will buy the wheel holder thing, or a wheel of cheese for that matter, but I think I’ll try making that myself the simple way.
Thanks for taking the time to type that out, it was intriguing.
They actually sell Raclette appliances in German-speaking countries. They’re little square frying pans with a little grill you put them under. Raclette is sold pre-sliced for them. It’s not as fun as a big block of molten cheese but it’s a nice communal meal like a hotpot.
The grass is always greener on the other side.
I mean this is for the few that want to leave. How likely is it for someone to put “Wants to move to their own country” in a survey?
Yeah the swiss mostly want to stay swiss but a lot of people work at the french/swiss border
That’s a problem with this map, it only shows the most popular destination, not how popular that destination is or how many people actually leave.
Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
I agree. Merz is basically a total personification of this. All he has achieved in his time is to make the far-right popular again. I hate that guy!
Hitler would be crying right now…
…for more than one reason.
Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
Yeah, under Orbán Hungary became an assembly service for German carmakers, who then wielded (probably still do) way too much economic influence over the country.
No, the sellout began way before Orbán.
True that. We didn’t have an actual left-wing government since 1989, even the supposed “left-wing” were actually neoliberals pandering to international corporations.
Looks like lots of young Europe hasn’t had this stuck in their head for a while.
This makes me wonder how does the graph diagram wind up looking like. Most nodes seem to end in a Germany-Switzerland-France loop
sorry to be nitpicky, but it’s only a 2-cycle, switzerland and france. but most of the countries get there via germany.
it would be interesting to look at the induced directed acyclic graph of the original graph’s connected components.
And then there’s the edge case of England going literally outside of the continent, with Australia
That’s because Brits would rather move to the literal other side of the globe where everything wants to kill you than learn a second language.
That makes a lot of sense - but if that were all there was to it, wouldn’t most of the emigration go to the fellow Commonwealth member, Canada?
Better not risk the chance of ever seeing a french word. By accident
The other side of the world: for when you really need to get as far away from it all as you can.
They took away our right to live in Europe. I imagine things would be very different for British 18-34 year olds had that not happened.
I’m not sure that’s true, even when we were in the EU more Britons moved to Australia.
Russians also move to Kazakhstan
Right, I keep forgetting Russia is still partly in Europe
Oddly enough, so is Kazakhstan! By most definitions of the Asia-Europe border, Kazakhstan has a chunk on the European side that’s actually still bigger than most European countries
Some countries like Turkey are part of both Europe and Asia on technicalities. They straddle the border so they get to be part of both.
Then there’s Russia, where the population is mostly in Europe, but the land is mostly in Asia.
The European part of Turkiye is still about twelve million people as well, it’s not like Russia but it is still a pretty substantial number of people. It’d be the 12th-most populous country in Europe if it was independent
It’s not as out of balance as Russia though. European Russia accounts for about 15% of Europe’s entire population. It’s a huge area, a lot of which is rural, but its population density of 27/km^2 is almost 10x as high as the population density of Siberia at 2.8/km^2. Siberia is 13.1 million km^2, European Russia is just under 4 million km^2.
Siberia is normally thought of as a snowy wasteland, but it also includes Russia’s entire Pacific coast, including Vladivostok where in the summer the average highs through July, August and September are all above 20C. That’s warmer than Edinburgh. Its winters are colder, but they’re not much colder than Moscow.
i feel there’s a big difference in how the parts of the countries culturally relate to each other, too.
Like i’m not aware of any real difficulty getting between european and asian Turkey, whereas with russia it’s 1) a massive distance, 2) there’s a big fuckoff mountain chain in the way, and 3) the fuck are you going to do in siberia?
Most of it is in Asia, but the part in Europe has most (75%+) of the actual people. Partly colonial population dynamics at work, partly the rest of it being Siberia.
They do like to make themselves at home in other people’s homes. Wouldn’t be such a problem if so many of them weren’t such horrible cunts.
Most popular coloring is deceiving: It could mean 90% emigrate to that country or 10% do. Also this map totally neglects how many stay in that country.
To visualize the data completely (not on a map unfortunately) one could choose a chord diagram.
It’s deceiving in multiple ways. Like of course more Romanians emigrate to Germany than to Belgium or Luxembourg, Germany is many times larger. They should add the to-country base population and/or surface to the equation.
It just ends in a France Switzerland loop. I think you’re mistaking Austria for Switzerland.
Finns racing for that sweet flat tax of Estonia (but also half the average net salary so hmm).
You’re reading the map backwards lol
Oops.
I guess it was too absurd to be true.
What do you know about taxation in Estonia? Curious. The flat tax is on income ? Is there really a land value tax ? Thanks.
Estonia is kinda shitty imo (im estomian🇪🇪). We dont have any big political activity except Tartu. Most people are still with this soviet mindset that you can’t have impact on anything. Which lead to status quo coming to power , thus increasing poverty, and now conservatives get more popular, because they promise infinite QoL and money glitch, which will lead to even worse conditions of the country i assume. Estomian electorate can not think about any left idealogies apparently.
BTW: eventually i decided to revive the Pirate Party of Estonia. So if there is some true patriotic estomians, visit https://piraadid.ee/
You revive the pirate party ?! How cool is that ! How many members do you have ?
We have approx. 100 members.
Estonia tax rate is 22% on personal income – so for both income and capital gains. Also the dividend/corporate tax is quite company-friendly, companies pay corporate taxes only for money taken out as profit. I’m sure there are some details here that I don’t know about rising the tax rate slightly from what I say here, but not by a lot afaik.
Quite the heaven for economic right-wingers. On paper at least. I’m guessing the practical reality (including a bit higher risk from Russia, I guess) isn’t enough for that many Finns to move there, whatever their politics.
Thanks for the comment. When i learned about Estonian taxation, 20% was the percentage. I guess taxes have increased.
Yeah, Covid-19 was probably one cause and being Russia’s neighbor is probably the other.
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