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Smart people didn’t shrug, they voted against it. Idiots and republicans shrugged and let this happen.
My partner’s parents when we explained some of Project 2025 to them:
Oh, Trump wouldn’t do all that. You know, he used to be a Democrat.
Yep, that’s the idiot segment.
The best part is these idiots are economically drowning and they’re still just shrugging.
Hitler wrote what he is going to do. People didn’t take him serious and everyone thought oh I get an advantage. Oh this doesn’t happen to me. Later when it happened to them it was too late as the people who it didn’t happen to didn’t wanted to help because it didn’t happened to them.
Conservatives (Germany ca. 1933): Hitler will only throw the enemies of the German people in jail, so I’m safe. Gestapo, some time later at their door: Hallo. Conservatives: Oh no, who could have seen this coming?
Moral of the story: The leopard bites every face.
Conservatives (Germany 2026):
“You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth”
Churchill took him very seriously after having read it, and it served him well in the long run.
The only egregious part of the carnival is that people think the shit show will end once trump dies.
He is just a puppet mouthpiece and clown face of the hidden puppet masters who are hiding behind his megalomania.
Trump didn’t win, he was put there because he was useful to the real people in power, even if he doesn’t know it himself.
I got laughed at and called paranoid and alarmist before Trump was re-elected when I talked about project 2025 and how terrifying it was.
One day in the summer before the election I had an interaction at work with a member of the public. An older white gentleman from a conservative area that has a lot of racists. He started talking to me and bringing the conversation around to politics, and I was mentally bracing myself to grit my teeth and remain professional. He told me how he was a lifelong Christian and then he surprised the living fuck out of me. He actually teared up and asked if I had heard of Project 2025. When I told him I had he said that it scared him so badly, that they were laying out how they wanted to oppress and kill his fellow Americans just because they were different and he was terrified that it was going to be enacted and that he didn’t believe in any of that and wanted to stand up against it and would not vote for it.
I think about him every once in awhile and wish we had more people like him in this country.
I wish more people understood that there are good Christians out there. I’m not christian myself but one of my best friends is. And not one of those who just say they are but don’t follow any of it. He goes to church every week, waited until marriage and spent one year after high school studying theology full time. And he is one of the nicest people I know. One of his best friends is a trans woman who lives in a polycule and he has no problem with it.
The worst Christians are the ones who don’t listen to their own scripture. It litteraly says right in the new testament, dozens of times, that you shouldn’t judge. Judgment is a sin.
They’re not good Christians
They’re good people despite Christianity
Exactly this
being a decent human being and being religious are basically perpendicular axes. you can be both, or neither, or either or.
some people really go out of their way to make the lives of others miserable, religious beliefs notwithstanding. the local motorbike school recently had to move their training away from an emergency wartime airfield because a nearby farmer dumped like 40 tons of of earth on it. it’s not his land, it’s state-owned, and it’s in the middle of the woods. nobody lives within several km. he just didn’t want people there.
Next up: dirt bike training!!!🤪
The problem is that the"good christians" still prioritize fighting against abortion #1, and #2 fighting against lbgtqia policies, marriage, etc. Those are THE most important things to them.
Well, they were trained to be good slaves
I contend that the truly devout should rather denounce their religion so as to not provide cover for monsters who pretend in vain to be something they are not.
But that’s very reductive of me as well, I’m sure it does enough good in some way, but I find it hard to believe in any sort of invisible almighty benevolent figure that has all the power in the universe, and yet we live in a world where if they were real, I couldn’t help but think they are cruel at best.
It’s literally one of their ten commandments (using the Lord’s name in vain). They changed the meaning of it to mean “don’t say Jesus Christ out loud” it’s so fucking stupid.
Brain isn’t parsing religious not-piece-of-shit. I know they have existed, but it feels like in the modern context it just doesn’t work.
People who don’t understand that religious rules are only for people that really care about the religion. Even most practicing religious folks aren’t fully Orthodox
One thing that every single person of faith has in common is that they’re hypocrites
Oh my God fuck off with your imaginary friend.
You really don’t think LGBTQ affirming Christians exist? That’s just ignorance on your part. Just search LGBTQ affirming churches and you’ll find thousands around the world.
I don’t give a fuck lol. Adults who believe in an imaginary fairy in the sky shouldn’t be allowed to vote lol.
This is exactly what broke me. Idgaf about the world anymore. Clear as day plans to fuck everything up, destroy the planet, economically genocide the poor. Nobody in power did shit about it and voters elected them anyways. No amount of being right matters when people refuse to see the obvious. The only way to get people to act, wisely or not, is to manipulate them into it and so here we are. The most propagandized, misinformed and manipulated population in human history.
They’re kept perpetually angry just because it keeps them from thinking clearly.
Literally, manipulated into navigating life while being incapable of utilizing their own intelligence because anger shuts down parts of the brain and narrows focus.
Idk, p sure North Korea is more propagandized, misinformed, and manipulated. Not to say shit isn’t bad here. But at least there is some resistance to it. Mamdani didn’t get elected because people are ok with just sleeping through it, after all. Sure, it might be too little, too late. But we have at least a fighting chance still.
I would argue not, North Korea doesn’t produce the volume of messaging we do or deliver it as often or in so many spaces of our lives as we do. NK propaganda is state organized and pervasive but its got the sophistication of a previous age of mass media, closer to WW2. Our media landscape is an insanely powerful tool of manipulation.
I feel both glad and bad for the ones like that who seem to follow the intent of Jesus’ message, however I also remember that it’s because of their silent acceptances of the vocal ones who are full of hate and racism that allow it to continue. If they won’t rise up against blatant twisting of their religion, nothing will change. They should tear up, but then be in their church rallying against the use of their religion for political gain. You know, the whole reason behind church/state separation.
Right, silent acceptance. Hence the example you responded to of a Christian speaking up to a stranger and expressing his disdain for the evil being wrought by other “Christians.”
I don’t understand where you get this feeling of silent acceptance. If there is something Christians are known for it’s inter-christian conflict. Conservative christians absolutely despise liberal Christians and vice versa. If you spend some time in online christian spaces you will quickly see how conservative christians spend almost as much time bashing liberal Christians as they spend on ethnic or sexual minorities, if not more so depending on the space.
That’s sort of my point. I don’t see any of that outside of the inner spaces, and the loudest voices give an image that this is how all Christians are. If within Christian circles there is a constant argument going on about what is and isn’t “Christ-like” then great, but it’s not helping if that isn’t obvious in public. The very post I replied to was in the framework of “a Christian spoke about what’s going on and was opposed to it” as if that is an unusual thing to hear. It shouldn’t be, I’m sure there are a lot of believers who aren’t happy, but they aren’t talking loud enough to counter or drown out the ones who are all for it.
Okay but… do you believe everything that Donald Trump says? Like how he represents all Americans, or Republicans/conservatives, or Christians, or whoever? If you believe that, and also believe those like Charlie Kirk, then doesn’t that say more about you than about them?
It is extremely well-known that for-profit enshittified news sources will spew enrage-bait content into your face. That does not make such content “true facts”, nor does it make it “mainstream”. Please do not rely upon Facebook, Threads, Tiktok, Instagram, X, or even YouTube, etc. for your “news” - they all paint a highly distorted view of reality.
Hate, love, or view Christians as they are, not as social media paints them to be. Likewise Americans. Or Muslims, or LBGTQIA+ individuals, etc. Perhaps mainstream Christians may even be avoiding social media altogether?
We do, they’re scared and isolated
Trump: We’re going to do project 2025.
Trump: It’s a good plan but we might have to workshop some things
Trump: I’ve never heard of it before in my life
Media: He’s never heard of it before in his life.
Americans are too self-centered to care about little things like, oh, what kind of world we’re going to be.
FYI, most non-US citizens of Lemmy wants US citizens to fight and die to secure the marginally better rights they have but didn’t have to fight for because it was won by their ancestors who were weighting them against must grimer fates. They know they wouldn’t risk death in the same situation. However, they think we are stupid enough to get bullied into it by them.
They will also do exactly nothing to help and will provide no useful suggestions. If it is any consolation, the US is large and influencial enough that we will all go down together.
If by “self-centered” you mean working class people just trying to survive while we have no control over what the wealthy people do above us to keep crushing us down, then ok.
Really sucks that the us right wing has no opposition to speak of
Don’t worry, they have the center right wing to keep them in check.
Sure they do, there’s the slightly more and slightly less right wing.
Well that’s what we are trying to change with these progressive candidates coming through into the midterms :)
people really still fall for this 🥲
i mean there may be some merit, because the DNC is fighting these progressives far harder then the ever fought the republicans or trump. even after they already won.
Then your concern is not unique to the USA
It definitely isn’t 😔
Reminds me of this skit : https://youtu.be/aXzjxVYPjys
For a while there Donnie tried to play it off like he had no idea was 2025 was and hand no interest in it. For some reason some people actually bought it.
Trump is just a puppet to distract from the Project 2025 and Techno Libertarian assholes behind the scenes. They put him on the ticket because the Idiot Cult is easy votes. He agreed because it meant staying out of jail.
The real tell, is if in Jan, they immidiately turn on him and install True Believer™ Vance as the new President. Then they can just manipulate everything to 10 years of perfrct Christo fascism.
Except the world economy will likely collapse before that.
Desperation would be my guess.
Virtually everything he says is a lie anyway.
And also the truth too. Like he said that he is going to take away the rights of certain others to vote, who in the past have done so “incorrectly”, and he said that he will run again for a third term. I believe he is genuine about both of those.
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“if you read project 2025…”? The faq makes you think maga voters can read? How were they to know?
the good news is that none of this seems to matter at all somehow. people carry on with their lifes as if nothing bad is happening. what the actual fuck.
Same with COVID. Millions dead and no one gives a fuck except to unjustly accuse Fauci
At least we have conversations now akin to “Remember how much better life was during COVID?”
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Empire rise, empire fall
What comes next?
Socialism or barbarism.
Empire Returns: the sequel
yah just avoid all the food that give you ecoli…
And cyclospora.
That’s why they destroy education. That’s why they like the small-minded people. And that’s why they like AI so much. They need something to do the thinking for them, but they can’t afford it to be people…
Trump: I love the poorly educated!
And the poorly educated love him back
Because he tells them that their racism, bigotry and stupidity make them better than the people they are afraid of
Their betters.
“Keeping them even dumber than me is hard work!”
Wait until they find out AI doesn’t do any thinking and just regurgitates what it was trained on…oh hey yeah they’re gonna love it!
from a guy paying for twitter, eh?
It’s on Threads
I am amazed every day that people willingly use a Nazi website.
But her laugh
Shiver me timbers,
Laughing lady had dark skin,
Vote rapist instead
Old people are so easily manipulated to clips.
she never recovered from falling from a coconut tree
Buttery males
It was the explicit support for genocide and the tacit support for transphobia that made me dislike her.
I don’t blame anybody with family in Palestine refusing to vote for her.
I think Trump is the perfect candidate to destroy the Clintonian Democratic party, because their entire goal is to be The Lesser of Two Evils. They want to press right up to the Republicans like it’s a tango, and tell everybody “look, I’m not as bad as him, vote for me!”
Trump pulled Harris so far out with him that her own voters didn’t recognize themselves in her platform. She wanted more wars, more violent policing, more surveillance, more queer phobia entrenched into law, more uneven tax system. She had no policies that I approved of that didn’t take a paragraph to explain.
Complete malpractice.
Look, I don’t live in the US but there is usually a side that is a lot worse than the other. Holier than thou attitudes of “but the better side wasn’t as good as I wanted so I let the worse side get into power” is basically being part of an apocalyptic cult. It’s pathetic. You could still oppose everything you oppose now but with a better baseline. Yeah I want my left politicians to be better in certain topics—some that impact me a lot personally and I can still be an advocate for those things—it doesn’t mean I implicitly support the extreme right here getting into power.
Look I donated to and voted for Harris, and urged others to do the same.
But I’m not in the turd polishing business, and that’s what Democrats expect their base to do, over and over again.
I do live in the U.S., and I’m acutely aware that it’s not a law of nature. It won’t endure forever, as some sort of fundamental human condition. It may feel that way because it’s always been there, even in our great-grandparents’ lifetimes, by we’re seeing how fragile it actually is. The nation and its values have to be maintained, as any system has to. Voting for the lesser evil every time, rather than doing the maintenance, will catch up to us. There won’t always be a next time to attempt a non-evil candidate.
It ain’t fair, there’s not always a solution or a good option, but that’s life. We need better than what Harris offered, or we’re cooked.
GeNoCiDe
Trump literally said he wanted to turn the entire area into a parking lot and hotels.
Harris was a bit wishy washy on the subject.
But hey, at least we went with the greater of two evils. Horay for the maybe .001% of the population with family in Palestine. At least in the long run, they will have a nice resort to stay at while visiting the graves of their families.
graves
Wouldn’t count on that one.
I donated to and voted for Harris.
Because I hated Trump.
There was nothing else appealing about her to me, and I have a lot of the identity politics that was theoretically supposed to make me gooey for her.
GeNoCiDe
Stop belittling opposition to genocide just because you are incapable of loving anything else.
GeNoCiDe
This must be so annoying for you
Biden literally did a genocide, no matter how wonky you make the letters, scumbag.
Trump literally said he wanted to turn the entire area into a parking lot and hotels.
That’s what Ben-Gvir, and other Israeli ultranationalists want. They’d still want that even if Harris were President. I just don’t see the evidence that her adminstration would be pushing back on that, given that Democratic leaders are still voting to send foreign aid to Israel.
(I’m not trying to defend the fascist regime, but I think truth matters.)
I mean, my point is, both choices were bad for Palestine on some level. One choice was demonstably terrible, for literally everyone, everywhere.
And for some reason (idiots, racists) we picked the terrible option.
The reason is kind of important, no? You can shrug and say idiots and racists, but that’s far from the whole story, not really even the primary reason. A big piece of it is people feeling disengaged from politics, which is understandable, since U.S. policy hasn’t reflected the will of the people for almost 50 years now.
More or less telegraphing that “I will not listen to what you want” and “I support evil but have the decency to feel bad about it” (like on Gaza, for example) is not a great way to motivate people in this environment.
Something being written down in a planning document doesn’t exactly make it precedented. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Outside of a law court, the meaning can be exactly that.
Fair, but Mein Kampf was a historical precedent.
