What’s a Juggalo, precious?
Well worth the watch.
Some??
Whoop whoop
Every Cyberpunk setting has a gang of clowns. Jokerz, Halloweeners, Bozos
the leftist/lemming fashion trend of 2026!
Second time this week I’ve had an occasion to use this gif. Shame I couldn’t find one with more pixels.
Times are tough. You got to save pixels where you can
Those clankers are consuming every byte they get their hands on.
Last year, Ticketmaster and LiveNation invested in a former military facial recognition company, with the hope that the technology could be used to both strengthen and speed up event entry
Because of course
So the Juggalo 's were right?
Man, this timeline is insane
If Juggalo makeup isn’t your thing, going Sith would probably work just as well.
If you’re thinking of Darth Maul, that was his face because he was a Zabrak and they sport facial tattoos. Facial tattoos aren’t a necessary feature of the Sith.
Are they tattoos? I thought Dathomiri Zabrak just had skin spot patterns?
In one of the books it talks about him earning the tattoos. I think they were related to sith alchemy or rituals but were fairly niche among the sith. Palpetine was a weird one even for the sith it seems.
Neat.
Maybe just an Adam Ant stripe
Great until the cops are looking for that one Juggalo in Jamestown but you have to represent…
ICP is based as hell:
"I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG
Out here pretending like you ain’t offendin’
I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG
You redneck judges with racist grudges
I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG
If you gotta tattoo, I’m aimin’ at you
I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG
You get punched in your faces reppin’ the racists"
Speaking as someone who isn’t a juggalo, it’s clear that the subculture represents a lot more people than just the ones who identify with it. Like with Punk, a lot of outsiders don’t look past the aesthetic to realize that they’re trying to convey an important social message and be a voice for disenfranchised groups. They aren’t just people in clown make-up, they’re people who were fucked over by society and this is the outlet they found. Sadly it’s easier to laugh at memes about magnets than to confront their reality.
I’d include the rap subculture as well but regrettably their message became diluted when they achieved mainstream success and were co-opted by the marketing and propaganda machine as another tool to perpetuate the Spectacle.
I am also not a Juggalo, but every one that I have met has been kind and accepting to an aggressive degree.
I grew up around quite a few as they are pretty common in the Middle West especially middle and low income areas. Aggressively inclusive is a pretty good description of the subculture’s values. There’s some bullshit like anti science and anti education, but it comes from the elitism and exclusivity of those institutions which is a problem in public outreach and inclusiveness in academia. Most of the juggalos I’ve met just want to do drugs, listen to horrorcore rap, and watch wrestling, but I’ve also met some that can’t stand any of those things but just celebrate the stuff they do like instead of denigrating other people and their aesthetics.
I grew up around a lot of juggalos. The music is kind of just a small part of the culture, it really is an entire culture, one based on acceptance of anyone. At least in the 2000s there wasn’t anything else like that. Old heads gatekept punk, they had officially declared punk was dead. Metal was mainstream. Eminem was the only “credible” white rapper because he had street cred from Detroit. If you didn’t feel like you fit in, the juggalos were there saying you’re welcome here. If you decide to call yourself a jaggalo, then you are, and you’re apart of the family. No interrogations about what music you’ve listened to your whole life, when you got into a specific scene, what socioeconomic background you have.
And yeah your second point about rap is 100% true. I saw $uicideboy$ come and go. I remember in like 2014 they were underground, I really fucked with them. They made over 500 songs, had a huge following for the time, and were doing great. Then they signed onto universal to release iwtdino or whatever in like 2018. Never felt more betrayed. I really fucked with yung lean too, but he straight up said he was going to sell out. He was gonna get money. I respect that. $B are just corpo shills now acting like they’re underground while being the most mainstream corpo rappers to exist currently.
Rave was the same way until it also got pulled mainstream around 2007/2008
Before that we had assholes like Joe Biden trying to outlaw it by saying proving water to patrons was “encouraging drug use” and classifying any clubs that did it as “crackhouses”
That shit was my church and they burned it. I stand in solidarity with Juggalos.
I was trying to figure out where edm fits in to that but yeah, it was mainstream by the 90s. Started in the 70s, by the 80s there were defined raves for edm. But its hard to look at rave culture/edm as a whole since its so old and widespread. UK edm was different than US edm which was different than Latin American edm etc. Then all the divides within edm. House ravers didn’t want to go to hard style raves. Hard style ravers didn’t want to go to trance raves, etc.
The Chicago anti rave law that allowed cops to treat raves like crack houses and drug dens. That meant anyone at a “rave” could have all your equipment seized and you’d be arrested. They made the definition of a rags as a gathering of 10 people and a DJ. Now a DJ isn’t going risk his decks or records being taken by the cops. The property owner could have the venue seized too.
So everything moved into the downtown Chicago clubs and because 21+ and way way more expensive.
Eventually the modern rave became EDM fests because everyone got a piece of the $$.
The show Workaholics some years back did a juggalo episode and it was eye opening.
I love some Fago moon mist to this day.
Same goes for metalheads
CoC goes hard.
Thats actually from Confederate Flag off of the missing link album, but your original statement is correct CoC is awesome.
I think in the future everyone will wear masks like daft punk
It won’t work alone for long in the age of AI. You won’t be tracked and identified by face alone. It’ll be a complex array of data points. Your face, your hair, your eye color if the cameras have the resolution, your height, your gait, your posture, your scars and injuries, your visible birth defects, whether you use mobility aids, the wireless devices emitting signals in your pockets, the list goes on and on. They’ll assemble dozens of data points and make it extremely difficult to falsify enough to avoid detection instead of just getting flagged as suspicious.
Even if you go full privacy focused with a locked down phone and a dumb car flock cameras are tracking your plate, scanners are tracking the tire sensors in your wheels and phones need IMEI tower connections so all that is logged.
God dammit, we can be tracked by the fucking tire sensors? Fucking hate this timeline…
Once we have a case where AI fabricated evidence is used to convict somebody it will also get much easier to dismiss a lot of this data. I still get ads for dogfood for a dog I don’t own.
I know corporations can handsomely reward unscrupulous scientists but more often than not they do not effectively use the data they’re amassing.
That won’t stop corporations and governments from surveiling. They’ll still collect highly accurate information about you. They may not trust public data, but they’ll still trust the systems they use to surveil. They’ll still be right.
You forgot you seven sided dice.
Will they actually devote the resources to try to pierce the anonymity of those handful of people? Everything we’ve seen about how tech companies operate is that they reach a threshold of “good enough for most cases” and don’t bother trying to optimize the edge cases. Collecting the billions of data points to try to use dozens of analysis techniques, and then having some kind of meta analysis on how to resolve disagreements between models, would be resource intensive beyond their own profit motives.
Someone who wants to defeat gait analysis with a different pair of shoes (heel height and sole thickness and back support affect how people walk), and wears a mask might lose the arms race if the tech companies choose to continue to improve the tech even after it’s already good enough.
I think it’s possible but not inevitable. Especially if there’s a financial reckoning for AI companies soon.
Even if businesses are willing to settle for good enough, governments most certainly will NOT. Those attempting to evade detection will be those they’re most interested in identifying, which is why I mentioned that failure to successfully falsify will get you flagged as having attempted it and probably how. From a government’s perspective, the ones attempting to evade detection are the ones most likely to be criminals or, even worse in their eyes, rebels. Governments, especially authoritarian ones, will make sure the tech constantly pushes the boundaries of what’s possible, or at the very least defeats the vast majority of known evasion techniques.
Then, if business really has left the evaders unidentified, they’ll start adopting the tech from government. Better data with no R&D? Why wouldn’t they at that point? Governments might even subsidize it because it helps them spread the greater surveillance network.
Will they actually devote the resources to try to pierce the anonymity of those handful of people?
Given how rapidly they’ve been trying to tighten their grip lately? Yes. They want to know everything about everyone all the time. And they don’t give two shits if we consent to it.
There’s always making them wrong by being different every time.
Well they are building data centers like they want to have enough resources to do just that.
The clothing they wear solves most of those. For the physical side (gait, height, etc) it’s a little harder but shoe’s have an effect on most of those (i.e. the round bottom shoes meant to help people work out just by walking wildly change a normal gait and posture).
For the devices though it could get fun. You could have a device mounted in the helmet that will pretend to be people you’ve passed, essentially just replaying the beacons (SSID broadcasts, etc) for the sake of a digital camouflage.
The clothing they wear solves most of those
For now. This cat and mouse game will continue on and on. We’ll develop evasion techniques, they’ll learn how to recognize and see through them. We’ll develop new ones again, they’ll learn them again. What about if you speak near a camera? It’ll learn to analyze voice and diction. Voice scrambler? AI is learning to descramble video, can probably learn it for voice, too. Your clothing style will become a data point and an expensive one to consistently falsify. The locations you’re seen at is suggestive. If you walk a dog, good fucking luck convincing it to help you falsify data for the AI monitors.
Still, this is predicated on the assumption that you can recognize and falsify enough of the data points. My point is that they will collect however many data points it takes to make it nigh impossible to get a failure to identify you or a false positive. And if it’s a false positive, we have to question the ethics of pinning your trail on some other random dude.
I agree for the most part, but if we are all walking around in jumpsuits and helmets (Daft Punk style) and repeating the digital beacons of everyone else it seems like false positives are a skill issue for AI. Not too long ago I was watching a video about a guy that was a 100% match in the eyes of AI as someone that was trespassed by the casino. When the cops showed up and he presented his documents, the cops brought him to the station as they thought he must have given false ID when he was originally trespassed. He was eventually able to prove his innocence but the fact he was taken into custody because AI messed up makes me have no issue with people doing stuff to intentionally poison the data.
None of this matters in the present context though because just by wearing that you would be easily identifiable.
repeating the digital beacons of everyone else
You can’t perfectly mimic everyone else and accomplish something unique at the same time, even if it’s something as simple as pulling up a webpage nobody else around is requesting. Your device must in some way identify itself to the network so it can actually receive everything they request, and that’s an avenue for identification and tracking.
Not too long ago I was watching a video about a guy that was a 100% match in the eyes of AI as someone that was trespassed by the casino. When the cops showed up and he presented his documents, the cops brought him to the station as they thought he must have given false ID when he was originally trespassed.
Sure, modern AI can’t push the limits like I’m talking about, but I’m not talking about doing all this with modern AI as it is now, and things are advancing extremely rapidly. Processing power available is, too, as companies churn out as many new data centers as they can. It might not be as long as we hope before the things I suggest become feasible.
He was eventually able to prove his innocence but the fact he was taken into custody because AI messed up makes me have no issue with people doing stuff to intentionally poison the data.
Yeah, modern AI is trained unethically at just about every step of the process, so poison away.
Which is already illegal in much of the US. Will it hold up in court? Maybe not but that doesn’t stop cops from demanding you take it off
Makeup isn’t though: we all just need to get down with the clown.
Brb, investing heavily in National Beverage Corp (FIZZ).
That would at least be fun, if not a bit uncomfortable long term.
Hope so. Personally I’m pulling for a modular jumpsuit as well. Most of it will come as one piece, so no more worrying about pants and tops as separate items which have to be coordinated and can get lost. Socks/gloves/masks etc would be optional but will just snap onto the main bodysuit piece. Everything will be interchangeable, standardized and spares can be purchased anywhere. Different weights for different climates etc, but it’s all one platform, like the AR-15 of clothing.
Please vote for me in the upcoming primary. If I win I’m sending everyone a free suit. ~(Which you’ll need, because they’ll be mandatory)~ VOTE FOR ME
Why would they need facial recognition? Just look for the guy in clown makeup.
No need to look. Everyone knows he’s in the oval office
Nice!
I used to think juggalos were cringe but I’m really digging how based they are ideology wise. Their music isn’t my taste but I’ve got weird musical preferences anyway.
Christian Rock.
The stand up comedian?
That’s Chris Rock, you’re thinking of the dude from Mr Robot
No that’s Christian Slater, you’re thinking of the dude from American Psycho
No, that’s Christian Bale, you’re thinking of the guy from American Gods.
No, that’s Chris Obi, you’re thinking of the guy from Rush Hour.
No that’s Obi-Wan Kenobi, you’re thinking of a dumpling soup.
Hello fellow juggalos, it’s me, a juggalo. I was just taking Wolfie for a walk.
“Your foster-juggalos are dead”
“Have you seen this meme?”
“Never heard of him… Wait, isn’t that the meme over there!?”
Ha ha, took me a minute to recognize him as Nathan Fillion from the Rookie. 🙂
No, that’s the T-1000. A mimetic polyalloy.
How the hell you think Wash came back?
