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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Canada@lemmy.caEnglish · 3 months ago

Carney's WEF speech looks to be AI generated. While I don't have a problem with using LLMs to help with writing, can he really not afford to pay a human staffer to help write his speeches?

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Carney's WEF speech looks to be AI generated. While I don't have a problem with using LLMs to help with writing, can he really not afford to pay a human staffer to help write his speeches?

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Canada@lemmy.caEnglish · 3 months ago
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https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-address-by-mark-carney-prime-minister-of-canada/

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  • JustADrone@lemmy.ca
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    AI detectors are garbage. Lots of false positives. False negatives. Garbage.

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      Exactly, some people just naturally talk like chatbots, an especially common phenomenon among the political class.

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    AI LLM detection is notoriously unreliable.

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      you can try it yourself by putting text written by actual people and see how that goes https://app.gptzero.me/

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        That doesn’t make LLM detection any more reliable

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          People here don’t seem to understand what LLM detection is. All it does is search for patterns that are very common in chatbot generated speech. It’s not some magical property that’s metaphysical in nature. Either the speech is written by a chatbot, or Carney naturally talks in this sort of vapid and content free fashion which is common for politicians to do.

          The real tell with AI writing is in the substance. It’s the weirdly balanced, almost bloodless neutrality on complex topics, the total lack of any authentic personal stake or lived experience, and a distinct feeling that you’re reading a brilliantly comprehensive Wikipedia summary instead of a thought that formed in a human mind with memories, biases, and a body.

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            I get what it is. Trying myself vs you trying it doesn’t make it more reliable.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              It’s obviously pretty reliable at statistically identifying patterns common to LLM generated text. Wikipedia, having had a problem with a flood of LLM written articles, has put put a whole detailed guideline of what these patterns are, and why they’re associated with LLM generated text. I implore you to spend at least a modicum of time to actually understand the subject you’re attempting to debate here.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

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                I know how LLMs work. Nothing you say is going to convince me that me trying it myself is going to be more reliable than you trying it.

                Like, what are you even disagreeing with me on?

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                  At this point, I have no idea what you’re even trying to say here is. When you say stuff like ‘it doesn’t make it more reliable’, what do you mean by that?

                  If you agree that you can reliably detect LLM speech patterns, then do you agree or disagree that the speech contains many patterns that closely resemble LLM generated text?

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    “Moderately confident”
    “This is a BETA feature”

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      Weird how putting any actually human written text in there never gets flagged as AI generated, try it yourself kiddo https://app.gptzero.me/

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        That’s not an effective test of whether this works. So no thank you, dear.

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          You’re welcome to keep coping honey. Here are the guidelines Wikipedia uses to sniff out LLM speech if you don’t trust automated tools. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

          Of course, it’s entirely possible that Carney naturally speaks like a chatbot, which doesn’t exactly make it better.

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              Coping is when you have a thread full of grown ass adults trying to pretend that Carney’s speech doesn’t read like it was written by a chat bot which it very obviously does. Let me know if you need any other topics explained to you like you’re five. For example, I could explain for you the concept of sealioning next, so you can avoid making a clown of yourself in public next time.

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      • i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
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        I pasted in the first half of the speech and it said 100% human.

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          And there you go, it can tell the parts he actually wrote apart.

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    This was a speech by a world leader for a global audience. I guarantee you that the tool you are using to identify LLM usage was not trained on or designed for this kind of data set. That LLM detector is working well above its pay grade.

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      LLM speech detectors were never trained on mountains of publicly available data from world leaders is a hell of a cope buddy 🤣

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    Btw, the US constitution from 1787 seems to be AI generated: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/why-ai-detectors-think-the-us-constitution-was-written-by-ai/

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      nah

      edit: I love how liberals, who see themselves as bastions of rational thinking, immediately start downvoting facts they don’t like 🤡

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    @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml

    You are such a joke.

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      no u

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      I’d be so insulted right now if I had a shred of respect for you

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    absolutely love how mad y’all are at me for pointing out that Carney talks like a chatbot

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