I actually don’t agree with this. You can also do the prep the restaurant does. Stir-fry, I pre-cut veggies and make various stir fries all week. Pho, I make a huge batch of broth and eat pho every day for a week. Sushi, I pre-slice the veggies and pre-cool the rice then, you guessed it, I make it for about a week.

If you need to have wildly different meals every night then I agree with you. But I’m content to have the same meal 5 to 7 times before switching.

Several reasons. First, humans have already decided that intentionally causing harm is not something we condone as a society, even under the guise of cultural or religious exemption. Largely, because it assumes that every single person part of the religion is there voluntarily, which is demonstrably false.

Secondly, it DOES affect me. There is an active effort to erode the separation of church and state, meaning Christian values are being actively imposed on those who do not claim any affiliation with Christianity. Southern Baptist, being the largest denomination in the south, is increasingly active in politics.

And lastly, I 100% agree that people within a religion should make absolutely no attempt to control the lives of those NOT within their religion. But that is not what we see.

My religion says that I am morally obligated to beat you up and steal your car, so how dare you argue that I shouldn’t.

You’re a religious bigot if you try to tell me that following the tenets of my faith are wrong.

Just because a book says a thing doesn’t make it right or justified, and crying about being a victim while actively supporting oppression doesn’t make you a champion of good.

You might want to read up on the “No true Scotsman” fallacy too.

You’re talking past each other, using “better” in different ways. Correct, my cooking is technically inferior to restaurant cooking for exactly the reasons you described. However, the recipes themselves are designed by an individual with preferences. Even if my cooking is technically inferior, it will be ‘better’ simply because I am cooking for my own palate and preferences. Same word, completely different meaning.

You’re perceived intention should be irrelevant during an argument. Either expose the belief directly so it can be engaged with honestly, or focus on the logic of the argument being made. It is entirely possible to be both correct in your argument and incorrect in the foundational belief. But engaging with a factually correct argument with the assumption that it was borne from a place of ignorance just makes YOU less capable of being reasonable.

The first poster made a claim, and assigned faulty logic as justification.

The second poster pointed out the flaw in this logic.

The third poster ignored the logic argument entirely and resorted to an appeal to outrage rather than the structure of the argument itself.

Personal experience, beliefs, gender, identity. All of these points are entirely irrelevant to the argument at hand. The title of this post was about logic. The second commenter pointed out a legitimate logical error, and the third commenter exposed themselves at appealing to indignation and dressing it up as an argument. You (royal you) shouldn’t support bad reasoning just because it agrees with you.

It made me laugh that the easiest thing on this to make, is the one thing you didn’t make.

Yeah, I figured that was probably the case when I asked what evidence might change their mind, and the question was just ignored. Still, I was mildly entertained by pointing out their logical errors, so it wasn’t a complete waste of my time lol.

Actually, that’s materially incorrect. You are making the universal claim that a technology has literally no uses, and every single person that claims otherwise is either ignorant, or has been grifted.

I am making the counter-argument that, while I agree with the overall concerns with misuse, and misrepresentation, claiming it has literally no use is objectively false.

Anecdotal would be “I’ve heard people have found uses for it.” Or “My cousin says it helps him do XYZ.”

I have given you a specific example of my own use. That is not anecdotal, that is a definitive, replicateable, counter point.

You have decided to dismiss it, because making a universal sweeping claim inherently requires the dismissal of all counter points in order to remain intact.

I’m sorry that you’re so angry, and have convinced yourself the world is trying to gaslight you, that doesn’t seem like a healthy belief. I won’t be responding further.

You’re contradicting yourself and not seeing it. You’re universally saying it has absolutely no uses, and using your own experiences and others, as evidence. When counter-evidence is provided, you dismiss it because you can only speak from your own experiences.

Either other peoples experiences are valid, and you must accept that some people have found genuine uses for the technology, despite your hatred for the industry and the false marketing around it.

Or other peoples experiences are not valid, in which case there’s no point in talking about anything, because you will not consider it valid unless you personally experience it.

You should speak to others experiences because you are making the universal statement that is has literally no uses, contrary to many people stating they have, in fact, found uses for it.

So either every single person that believes they have found a novel use for it is wrong. Or you have universally decided that none of their experiences are valid in forming your opinion.

Considering I have found a use for it, that does not require it to write code, paint pictures, or tell me I’m right about everything, why is my usage invalid in nullifying your statement that “GenAI does not have any uses.”

There is no ambiguity in that statement, and yet I have found use for it.

Why didn’t you remark on my own usage? You’re speaking from your own experience but seem to be ignoring others. Your personal experience is not more valid than others. Or are you convinced that 100% of people who have found any degree of use for it have some how been tricked?

Edit.

Upon re-reading your reply, I have to ask a simple question. What would need to be demonstrated in order to change your mind? If you can think of an honest criteria, we can keep talking about it. If your first response is to say “There is literally nothing that can change my mind.” Then this is not a discussion, it is simply you expressing anger and indignation.

And I’m sorry to say, but if you’re engaging in conversation without a single iota of willingness to see the other sides perspective or reasoning, then you’re a bad conversation partner and are consciously choosing to be arrogant, even if your side is the “Correct” side.

Have I come across as rude or dismissive that you felt the need to mock and belittle me? I tried to form my response respectfully while pointing out possible areas of bias.

Then why have seasoned programmers accepted that getting an LLM to generate messy code, then tidying it up, is often faster than writing 2 dozen lines themselves?

Or myself, I use it with TTRPGs, to simplify NPC creation under a set of structured rules. I still play the characters as unique individuals, but being able to click a button and have 4 personality points to base any nameless NPC around is a lot more fun and dynamic than trying to come up with new characters I didn’t expect the group to speak to, on the spot.

Claiming it does not have any uses at all seems like an expression of your own lack of creativity, or willingness to adapt to new technology. I don’t need to worship the tech-bros to find a use for new technologies.

Can GenAI replace a human? No. There is no context in which human work can be fully replaced by GenAI. But that doesn’t mean it cannot simplify and enhance skilled workers that understand its limitations and use it to increase their own productivity.

Is it possible you’re so engrossed in anger and disgust at how it is being marketed, that you’re deciding to hate the entire concept rather than the fact it is bring misused, and it’s capabilities are being wildly exaggerated to the point of lies? Or that the disgusting manipulation of empty promises on empty promises on empty promises, with the bullshit happening around RAM prices, GPU prices, etc. Or entire workforces being fired in order to be replaced by LLMs is making you prejudiced against the tool, rather than those using it to justify abuse and idiocy?

If hammers were used to kill more people than guns or knives, would you claim there is no reason to ever use or own a hammer?

Yes, and while we’re at it let’d refuse to read books not written by scribes. And refuse clothes not woven by hand.

I understand the frustration with the industry, but at the end of the day it is a tool, and it has its uses. Just because it is being misused doesn’t mean it’s universally bad. This just seems petty and misdirected.